It definitely was not a beer high on hops, as you noted. I think most effervescent beers (like witbeirs) tend to have a very low hop presence. I liked that about this beer, and I think that’s why it pairs with food well. It’s not competing for flavor. And the point you brought up about this beer being a “gateway beer” for women (or men) who don’t drink beer is very well stated.

Thanks for the kind words on the show. It’s always interesting to hear everyone’s perspective on it. I appreciate that you take the time to listen.

Damn. Now I want some mac & cheese. That looks delicious.